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  <updated>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 17:18:29 GMT</updated>
  <entry>
    <author>
      <name>MikeCherim</name>
    </author>
    <id>2005:Ma.gnolia-Discussion_Post_2385</id>
    <published>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 17:18:29 GMT</published>
    <updated>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 17:18:29 GMT</updated>
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    <title>New post by Mike Cherim in "Please Report Spam"</title>
    <content>&lt;p&gt;At Jun 29, 10:18 AM &lt;a href="http://ma.gnolia.com/people/MikeCherim"&gt;Mike&lt;/a&gt; said...&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;This is an excellent group with an impressive collection of quality web accessibility-related bookmarks. Good work in spreading the word and helping all of us stay abreast folks. It's a good group and I want to keep it that way. But I need some help.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you see spammy bookmarks posted to this group, please send me a message via the site's mail system. Please report the offending tag(s), bookmark(s), and user(s). &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Today there were some "kayaking" tags so I investigated and determined they were indeed spam, so I removed the bookmarks (which removed the tags), and I banned the user from the group. There may be others in very limited numbers but after a continued search I can't be sure. We don't have a huge spam problem here thankfully.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Lending me your eyes will be to the benefit of the whole group and thus indirectly to web accessibility education, so your small effort will do a lot of good. Want to do more? Perhaps the group could use a moderator. Any volunteers?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks.
&lt;br /&gt;Mike&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;</content>
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  <entry>
    <author>
      <name>MikeCherim</name>
    </author>
    <id>2005:Ma.gnolia-Discussion_Post_2384</id>
    <published>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:50:09 GMT</published>
    <updated>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 16:50:09 GMT</updated>
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    <title>New post by Mike Cherim in "Open new window : warn the user"</title>
    <content>&lt;p&gt;At Jun 29, 09:50 AM &lt;a href="http://ma.gnolia.com/people/MikeCherim"&gt;Mike&lt;/a&gt; said...&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;You're better off with an image because the alt text will more likely be read than that of the title attribute's text. Better yet, though, allow users to decide by either teaching them how to open links in a new window if they want, or add a script that let's them choose it as a preference. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Users can opt-in if you leave it up to them, but if you decide for them they can't opt-out.&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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  <entry>
    <author>
      <name>naudjf</name>
    </author>
    <id>2005:Ma.gnolia-Discussion_Post_1940</id>
    <published>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 11:10:31 GMT</published>
    <updated>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 11:10:31 GMT</updated>
    <link href="http://ma.gnolia.com/groups/Access/discussions/773#post1940" rel="alternate" type="text/html"/>
    <title>New post by naudjf in "Open new window : warn the user"</title>
    <content>&lt;p&gt;At Jan 12, 03:10 AM &lt;a href="http://ma.gnolia.com/people/naudjf"&gt;&lt;/a&gt; said...&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Hi,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I know how to do that with a text link :
&lt;br /&gt;- either I put "[new window]" at the end of the label of my link
&lt;br /&gt;- either I add a title on the link : it will contain the exact label of my link  + "[new window]"&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What happens if my text link becomes an image (img tag) ?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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  <entry>
    <author>
      <name>JameSEO</name>
    </author>
    <id>2005:Ma.gnolia-Discussion_Post_1928</id>
    <published>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 06:44:30 GMT</published>
    <updated>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 06:44:30 GMT</updated>
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    <title>New post by James Harrison in "Iframes and accessibility"</title>
    <content>&lt;p&gt;At Jan 03, 10:44 PM &lt;a href="http://ma.gnolia.com/people/JameSEO"&gt;James&lt;/a&gt; said...&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I'm not sure exactly what an iframe is. Could anyone tell me. I manage this website http://www.ashleylavelle.com and I wanted to know if anyone could tell me if this framed site is just a framed site or an iframed site. thanks.&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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  <entry>
    <author>
      <name>MikeCherim</name>
    </author>
    <id>2005:Ma.gnolia-Discussion_Post_1850</id>
    <published>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:08:13 GMT</published>
    <updated>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 05:08:13 GMT</updated>
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    <title>New post by Mike Cherim in "New Group Icon"</title>
    <content>&lt;p&gt;At Nov 25, 09:08 PM &lt;a href="http://ma.gnolia.com/people/MikeCherim"&gt;Mike&lt;/a&gt; said...&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I decided on an icon that better captured web accessibility. You like?&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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  <entry>
    <author>
      <name>MikeCherim</name>
    </author>
    <id>2005:Ma.gnolia-Discussion_Post_1167</id>
    <published>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 06:13:59 GMT</published>
    <updated>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 06:13:59 GMT</updated>
    <link href="http://ma.gnolia.com/groups/Access/discussions/404#post1167" rel="alternate" type="text/html"/>
    <title>New post by Mike Cherim in "Let's get the web's code fixed"</title>
    <content>&lt;p&gt;At Apr 13, 11:13 PM &lt;a href="http://ma.gnolia.com/people/MikeCherim"&gt;Mike&lt;/a&gt; said...&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Hello group: &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I want to start a movement and need your help. I want to try and get code providers, PayPal, etc. to update their code/markup and make it valid and accessible, and available in both XHTML and HTML where applicable. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;We shouldn't have to fix it, it'd be beneficial to all parties concerned, and those who don't know web development at all wouldn't care just as they currently don't. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;One small fix at PayPal, for example, could positively affect thousands of sites as webmasters plug-n-play that junk without fixing it. If 80% of the possible providers updated their markup it'd be a boon to the web.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What I'd like you to do is blog about it and encourage others to do the same. I have but one small voice in Internet land, but together I bet we could make quite a roar.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Here's my contribution to the cause:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Stop Writing Garbage Code, Please
&lt;br /&gt;http://green-beast.com/blog/?p=168&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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  <entry>
    <author>
      <name>MikeCherim</name>
    </author>
    <id>2005:Ma.gnolia-Discussion_Post_899</id>
    <published>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 22:31:16 GMT</published>
    <updated>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 22:31:16 GMT</updated>
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    <title>New post by Mike Cherim in "WCAG 2"</title>
    <content>&lt;p&gt;At Feb 07, 02:31 PM &lt;a href="http://ma.gnolia.com/people/MikeCherim"&gt;Mike&lt;/a&gt; said...&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Pretty appalling when the accessibility guidelines aren't very accessible or usable. I have attempted to read them but it was just waaay too much. It blew my mind, figuratively speaking of course. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I have decided to wait for the movie to come out.&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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  <entry>
    <author>
      <name>Elsa</name>
    </author>
    <id>2005:Ma.gnolia-Discussion_Post_836</id>
    <published>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:18:32 GMT</published>
    <updated>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 16:18:32 GMT</updated>
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    <title>New post by Elsa Bartley in "WCAG 2"</title>
    <content>&lt;p&gt;At Jan 26, 08:18 AM &lt;a href="http://ma.gnolia.com/people/Elsa"&gt;Elsa&lt;/a&gt; said...&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;OK so what's with the next version on the WCAG? Will the W3C please wake up and smell the coffee, this is going to do nothing for improving accessibility. The first set of guidelines were pretty bad and are now completely out of date, but to replace them with even more overly complex guidelines that basicaly allow you to choose to be inaccessible. What the....?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Accessibility is much more than WCAG, but it would have been nice to see some improvement in this area. I can only hope that the confusing nature of WCAG 2 will cause more people to choose to test with end users, rather than try to rely on inadequate guidelines. &lt;/p&gt;</content>
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  <entry>
    <author>
      <name>MikeCherim</name>
    </author>
    <id>2005:Ma.gnolia-Discussion_Post_694</id>
    <published>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:16:24 GMT</published>
    <updated>Fri, 15 Dec 2006 15:16:24 GMT</updated>
    <link href="http://ma.gnolia.com/groups/Access/discussions/214#post694" rel="alternate" type="text/html"/>
    <title>New post by Mike Cherim in "Iframes and accessibility"</title>
    <content>&lt;p&gt;At Dec 15, 07:16 AM &lt;a href="http://ma.gnolia.com/people/MikeCherim"&gt;Mike&lt;/a&gt; said...&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I don't think iframes are particularly accessible, but I have never used them and thus haven't really studied up on them. Maybe, though, they can be avoided altogether. This article will point you in the right direction: http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200612/dump_iframes_and_use_object_elements_instead/&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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  <entry>
    <author>
      <name>aiellici</name>
    </author>
    <id>2005:Ma.gnolia-Discussion_Post_681</id>
    <published>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 19:35:41 GMT</published>
    <updated>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 19:35:41 GMT</updated>
    <link href="http://ma.gnolia.com/groups/Access/discussions/214#post681" rel="alternate" type="text/html"/>
    <title>New post by aiellici in "Iframes and accessibility"</title>
    <content>&lt;p&gt;At Dec 14, 11:35 AM &lt;a href="http://ma.gnolia.com/people/aiellici"&gt;&lt;/a&gt; said...&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Do you think I could use iframes in an accessible website?&lt;/p&gt;</content>
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  <entry>
    <author>
      <name>MikeCherim</name>
    </author>
    <id>2005:Ma.gnolia-Discussion_Post_104</id>
    <published>Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:09:15 GMT</published>
    <updated>Mon, 21 Aug 2006 13:09:15 GMT</updated>
    <link href="http://ma.gnolia.com/groups/Access/discussions/28#post104" rel="alternate" type="text/html"/>
    <title>New post by Mike Cherim in "Thanks for being there"</title>
    <content>&lt;p&gt;At Aug 21, 06:09 AM &lt;a href="http://ma.gnolia.com/people/MikeCherim"&gt;Mike&lt;/a&gt; said...&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;A heartfelt thank you goes to the members of this group. Because of you and people like you, the web is getting to be a friendlier, more accessible place. Good job! &lt;/p&gt;</content>
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